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Picture Page April 2016 Please note: Unless otherwise indicated, the pictures on this web site are my property, and should not be used by anyone without my permission. The .30-30 Remington (or .30-30 WCF?) Rimless... In 1907, the Remington Arms Company began production of their first
semi-automatic
The headstamps for the four US ammunition makers who produced the .30-30 Remington cartridge are shown below.
. . . . Photos of the .30-30 Remington boxes made by Peters, UMC and Winchester that I have in my collection are shown below; the photo of the US Cartridge Co box was provided by a reader.
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. . The following page from the January 1907 Winchester catalog (#73) lists the .25-35 Remington, .30-30 Remington and the .35 Remington Rimless Autoloading cartridges. There is no listing for the .32 Remington, which was apparently introduced sometime after the other three cartridges.
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This next page is from the 1907 C. J. Godfrey Company catalog; it shows a listing and illustration for the U.M.C. .30-30 Remington cartridge.
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. Sources: Photo of Remington Model 8 rifle; The Great Model 8 and 81 website, http://thegreatmodel8.net/ . .
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centerfire
sporting rifle, the Model 8; introduced for use with this
rifle were the .25, .30, .32, and .35 Remington rimless auto-loading
cartridges. The .25, .30 and .32 cartridges were essentially rimless
versions of cartridges that the Winchester Repeating Arms Company had
developed in the mid-1890s for their Model 1894 rifle, these being the
.25-35 Winchester, the .30-30 Winchester, and the .32 Winchester Special,
respectively. It doesn't make sense to me that Remington could introduce
rimless versions of Winchester's cartridges as their own without some
resistance from Winchester, yet Remington initially named their thirty
caliber cartridge the .30-30 Remington, and not only did Winchester appear
not to have a problem with this, but they produced
cartridges with the .30-30 Remington headstamp from 1907 to about 1915. This
suggests to me that Winchester may have been involved with Remington in the
development of the cartridges. Cartridges with the .30-30 Remington headstamp
were also produced by the Union Metallic Cartridge Company, the Peters
Cartridge Company, and the United States Cartridge Company. I don't know why
the name was eventually shortened to .30 Remington, but it may have been due
to shooters getting the two .30-30 cartridges confused. Apparently, the .25
Remington was initially named the .25-35 Remington, as I have a 1907 Winchester catalog
that lists it that way. I have found no evidence that the .25 Remington was ever produced with a .25-35
Remington headstamp by Winchester or any other maker. 
