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January 2015


A couple of interesting 9mm Parabellum boxes..........

I'm a general cartridge collector who will add pretty much anything that I don't already have one of to my collection, but I tend to favor American-made black powder rifle and pistol cartridges. As a result, my library doesn't have much in-depth information on the subject of  9mm Parabellum cartridges and boxes. I recently had the opportunity to take a plunge into the world 9mm P collecting with the purchase of a group 60+ full boxes and a double hand-full of loose cartridges. Having little knowledge to base a value on, I assumed that these would be common boxes and made my offer with that in mind. A week and $75 in UPS shipping later and I was sorting through the two packages that arrived at my doorstep to see exactly what I had bought. As expected, there were a number of common boxes, such as the one to the right, with it's typical WW2 period cartridges with their steel cases and blackened-steel bullets. The headstamp (oxo St  6  43) and the labeling indicate the cartridges were made at Teuto Metallwerke G.m.b.H., Osnabruk, Germany in the 6th lot of 1943.

There was an assortment of other blue labeled WW2 production boxes by various makers, but several boxes were earlier, and proved to be more interesting. One such box is pictured here. The label reads:

16 Pistolenpatronen 08

   Lieferung unbekannt

The top line translates to 16 pistol cartridges 08 (1908 Luger). The second line, which translates literally as 'delivery unknown', is not so obvious to the unititiated, such as myself. I posted a question regarding the translation on the Cartridge Forum of the International Ammunition Association's web site (www.cartridgecollectors.org), which yielded several quick responses, all to the effect that such labeling means that the box was repacked and that the contents were from unknown loading lots. The cases of the cartridges in the box were headstamped to indicate production in 1918 at Konglich Munitionsfabrik Spandau, Berlin, Germany. Lot numbers in the headstamps ranged from 6 through 10.

Probably the most interesting were a group of matching WW2 production boxes with plain white labels rather than the two-toned blue labels that would be expected. The picture to the right shows three of these boxes arrange to display the entire label, which was applied from the front over the top and to the back, sealing the top flaps shut. The key to the white labels are the words outside the border at the top - 'Provisorisch bezettelt'. This translates literally to 'temporary occupied counts', which meant absolutely nothing to me. Once again, I enlisted the help of the experts on the IAA Cartridge Forum, who explained that this should be interpreted as 'provisional label', meaning that when these cartridges were packaged, they were out of the standard blue paper and had to use white paper. The cartridges in these boxes are headstamped 'asb  St+  26  44', indicating that they were produced as the 26th lot in 1944 at Deusche Waffen und Munitionsfabrik A-G, Berlin-Borsigwalde, Germany.  

This box shows what the provisional label box above would have looked had the blue paper been available at the time it was packaged.  The ammunition in this blue label box was packaged as part of lot 11 in 1944, just 6 lots after the provisional label box.

 

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